[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ball Speed - 185 mph[/background][/size][/color] [quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1364385234' post='6705065'] Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high When its hit well I have hit enough times in the 260-270 range so Im probably in that 95 mph swing speed range. How can that be true. Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. Thankfully also the SM9s dont seem to be ripping the cover off your ball, but looking at the Trackman numbers the backspin was high which you'd expect from the milled grooves. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. This promotes a lower ball flight and is seen by tour players as being a more accurate shot than having the ball float into the air. I recently had my swing analyzed and would like to share the results so that maybe someone could explain this in simpler terms. [/quote] Titleist 712 CB 4-9, MB PW KBS Tour (HS1X) [quote name='swanry30' timestamp='1364407652' post='6707945'] You can see the fuller head at the top of the toe in the lob wedges when the clubs are aligned next to each other, but you can only slightly notice a change in shape at address. In my opinion if your long game level is around hcap 0 you should score 76-80 . I almost just quit playing golf because when I started 4 years ago I was playing golf with two people most of the time that were in the 1% of AMAs . You can follow GolfWRX on Twitter @GolfWRX, Facebook and Instagram. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] The first chart, with the club speed distribution, is that only for hcp 14-15 golfers? Going the Distance? Progressive Centre of Gravity - Maintaining the lower CG in the stronger lofts, while raising CG even further in the more lofted clubs. I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho M2, maybe 915 FD 913 HD 712u 3 714 AP2 4-p SM5 53, 59 Circa62 knock it close Advanced Members 6.2k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted The driver is almost always the most talked about golf club in everyone's bag. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer TSi2 18, VTS Silver 8xMizuno MP Fli Hi 21, Recoil 110MP-20 MMC 5-P,DG X100SM850F, 54S, 58MPXGCloser Gen 2Tour BX. =t 'BRvGGs.Du="dP0 J/% Np^=+,5I,F5HH#418y\PuQ5) x9.>5?2P5@B$bz.k^OY<>Vf.%,(H8,~f3YzWBpj|!8K^E`$D &XP9gBTl+= Tg{\(k@bW6o9e:&x$hx"o0@:+}UnMD($R*3|>M}18&oA>m Ed&Z):Y{J|'@*bT6|QNbge2RU'02_^^{ Too many people walking around either who hit one drive at 300 a round and the rest slice 100 yards that only go 200 straight trying to tell people how great they are at golf when in reality they take like 6 mulligans a round or guys that are actually really good think that they are the norm when in reality they are a small minority and golf would not even exist if it were not for guys like me . No question - 100%. I dont want my Vokeys to look different to the past designs, I barely want them to perform differently either as you want reliability around the greens. 2 were over 320. I bet your average golfer on your average course doesnt hit more than 160-175. Have a look at his driver and 6 May I ask how many of them have 120 mph swing. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) This is really intersting reading and I could not agree more with the finding your distance principal. The new Vokey SM9 wedges has a focus on this exact shot by placing weight higher in the toe. timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] My 8 iron 190yards 5iron 252 yards Pw is 150yrds And loft 56 at 120yrds Loft 110 yrds How do i control the power to less distance? The strike felt tight knit and the spin was better than my SM8 52 degree wedge. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. You're delusional if you think any amateur on WRX that claims to have similar numbers to the longer pros thinks they are also as good as a tour pro. I think it would be awesome to see if any of the numbers change due to the new developments. Following 3 Trackman lessons and 4 Trackman practice sessions (and my own research) i have moved my swing path nearly 5 degree in to out. President & CEO, Boys & Girls Clubs of Kentuckiana, Brent Paladino 4 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X, Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x, Putter- Odyssey Vesa 12 center stroke lab shaft. I think you wish you hit it further. pleased to hear you are enjoying it now though. Shaft: Aldila NV, Irons: Cobra Amp Forged (4-PW) (Unimpededof course, because we always were able to play during the week). [/quote] If a 50% greens in regulation (GIR) stat was desired for the AMA, then the approach shot would need to be approximately 140 yards. Unless you're using the ball you play with every round, in the different conditions you play in, the numbers on the Trackman are null and void. [/quote] Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. Im your AMA although Im trending down. Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. Of course, playing shorter courses seems very obvious if you want to improve performance. It's the short game. There he became one of the storied programs most decorated athletes being named Phil Mickelson Freshman of the Year, Jack Nicklaus Player of the Year, the Haskins Award Winner as the most outstanding player in collegiate and amateur golf, and capped his collegiate career by helping the Crimson Tide win their first National Championship in 2013. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Bob Vokey makes the best wedges for the best players in the world on behalf of Titleist. also his AoD on the stinger. I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. WebReport PP - Read online for free. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] [/quote] I don't measure my driver distance. 714 AP2 4-p The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. [url="http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php"]http://www.rotaryswinch-monitor.php[/url] A Step by Step Guide, Acceleration Graph of Hips, Chest, Arms, and Clubhead in a Pro Golf Swing. Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. PGA, Executive Director, Golf House Kentucky | Kentucky Golf Foundation. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. Have a look at his numbers. Club head speed is around 90 MPH giving me a distance of 214 yrds. 6 0 obj Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: That's what I think. First we have to determine the average length of the par 4s at your course from the different tees available. Smash Factor 1.475 If golfers are to continue playing the same length tees, then optimizing their driver distance is going to be key to enhancing their performance. Titleist SM5 52-08 & 58-07 S400's Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high Since SM6 Vokeys have evolved subtly to be exactly what tour players want. Its a whole different story. I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. I have been working around that weakness by using shorter clubs off the tee but it leaves me with much longer second shots. [/quote] It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. I know a 47 year old who played d1 golf hits nothing but trap draws hits 8 irons 190. Distance is only a big deal to those who don't have it The 12 felt good but the 8 slid through the turf and cushioned the ball off the face. By comparison a 5-wood carries 235 yards and hit a 3 hybrid, which measures from 19 to 21, an average carry distance of 230 yards. Close suggestions Search Search Search Search Please limit the number of items and requests. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. Mike Austins Secret Release Move to Multiply Your Clubhead Speed. Launch Angle 11.28 :-). But then on the next hole when they come back down the hill with the wind behind them, they all go 340. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. Thanks for posting. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Ha, okay. Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. You will probably pick up that I gravitate towards the technical aspects of most things I do. Master the Swing Plane and Handle Path for Increased Distance and Accuracy! Their experiences, time away from family, and willingness to sacrifice their lives for our freedom has truly made an impact on Justin. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] show the real time hit - then after the shot replay it with the numbers/tracer. On top of that it drew me feeling like unless I can hit it 250 every time and at least shoot in the low 90s from the Blue I might as well just give golf up. You dont need to be depressed your swing speed is high enough to play very good golf. How to gain more distance without swinging faster? How Far Should Beginners Hit A Golf Ball? [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Average Distance - 302 yards[/background][/size][/color] You could hear the thump and it was relentless in its consistency. Yes, the TrackMan Combine data is extremely valuable for identifying weaknesses that can be improved, but it is just as (arguably more) important for identify strengths that the golfer can play to without having to spend any additional time practicing. a higher loft) than the actual degree loft number shown on their club. The questions you ask are great questions, but unfortunately that data is not readily available. Length is nothing. [b]XHP 3-Deep (13)- 7.3X @ 43.5 When it comes to talking about distance in golf the easiest and most obvious place to start is of course always with the longest club in the golf bag the driver. endobj The performance of these wedges really was impressive. This is the site where we share everything we've learned. Lol, so true.. If I have a front pin with a hard green, I would go at it harder with the shorter club, maybe a 150 yard pitching wedge. TI Taylormade SIM Ti (15.4) Tensei CK Pro Blue 80X Golf critics talk about technology making golf courses obsolete because of distance, but what they fail to clarify is that this only pertains to 0.1% of the golfing population. [/quote] For as long as I can remember Vokey have been the top wedge brand in golf. Get off the elite courses and look at the ones where people are paying maybe $45 to play, not $200+. Based on the Trackman, the fitter's recommendation was a 910 D3, 7.5 loft, and a Graphite Design Tour AD DI 8X. And it just isnt true.well at least not on average. I wonder what his user name is on WRX.. Distance to Apex 195.9 I ultimately decided on the Tour AD DI 6X as a better choice. It's not the length that makes a pro. wrong? I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Distance is great. It was soft in landing rather than quick and checking. [/quote] Imagine being on the practice ground with Justin Thomas or Nelly Korda week in week out. Is it around 25-35% less than the AMA group? Before it is assumed that the AMA should simply club up, actual distances with each club should be determined. WebSee how The Honda Classic Justin Thomas Trackman numbers look https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/ Scotty Cameron SS Newport Beach w/ UST Frequency Filter and Rosemark Thorn 1.52 grip. Foley was talking about him hitting 8-9* down when playing his stinger. Why gather data from an elite course where people line up to play when that is far from representative of what most people are doing? I prefer 120-160 yards, so I try my best to play to that yardage on par 4's. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021). Clear editor. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. Your ball speed is a little low which could indicate an off-center strike. also his AoD on the stinger. Sure, I see guys hitting 250-300 yards, but they are far from the norm. He defeated Will Zalatoris in a 3-hole playoff to clinch the title for the second time. Yes, typically very short drivers of the ball are better iron players or wedge players. Club Head Speed 119.55 Instead, its mostly situational. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] WebCongratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. That means the par 4s would average 395 yards. Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. ?, G#"% y\$)3(Q|1$xNyt7"g \)hEhH-hFtL+x I genuinely believe Vokeys make me a better bunker player, the SM8s changed my bunker game and these are just as good. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7 S, Hybrid: Callaway Apex (19 degrees) Especially the average driving distance data. Vokeys are no doubt aspirational golf clubs, you are viewed as a knowledgeable and better golfer if you have these in the bag. I often feel articles such as this are skewed. That is why you will find some pros wedges measured up to 0.5 or even 0.25 when listed and it is also likely that some of the actual strengths of the wedge lofts they use may in reality be stronger (i.e. Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018. Ive played four rounds since reading this, and shot 81, 83, 79, and 78. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high [/quote] I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. More photos from the event here. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. God how I loved playing golf. It's not the length that makes a pro. f[yZ3 /=KCYOSg~VN@ ae@.Xq@U$ Q\8H`/ 9Hj: .1xq Oddly, I bet you find that you do NOT score significantly better than your handicap even though the distances are short. The average drive on tour last year was 289 yards. I would say probably is bs. Ball Speed 176.38 Now that you guys have more and more data from the combine tests are you going to adjust the hcap chart. Have a look at his driver and 6 iron swing, incl. All that strength comes from the lower body. Shaft:Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X, Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4-5), TaylorMade P7MC (6-PW) But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. By funding programming and fulfilling requests of those in need, they are committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. The professionals are going to hit the ball on the screws significantly more often than the AMA. Torrey Pines South, huh? Can anyone give me any insight of what all these numbers mean? Jordan Spieth whats in the bag accurate as of the Presidents Cup. It was not until I got together with almost every other golfer played and realized most like as in 90% were just like me which was a work in progress. You just have to be fit correctly and learn how to deliver the club better to the ball, and i shoot low 70s and i hit the ball 245 yards with ZERO roll in Thailand so it can be done. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Required fields are marked *. This put him near the bottom of the pack. It makes the head look a little rounder, but Vokey has done a great job of disguising this weight distribution at address. For example, based on the average club speed of the AMA (93.4 mph) he should be able to hit his driver 255 yards (assuming certain ground conditions). Mike Austin Swing: When Does the Release Start? My time spent on the driving range tells me there are a lot of guys hitting 100 yards, 125, 150, 175a few hitting 190.and an even smaller number hitting over 200. Hang Time 5.8 One suggestion could be to setup course length based on club speed and optimal driver efficiency. work on your short game. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] 46 to 54 degree heads have narrower and deeper grooves as these are used more in fuller shots with greater swing/ball speed. My home course is around 6200 so I can work around not bombing it off the tee but it is perplexing to me. Thanks this will help my golf game so much now. Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. My experience suggests that this is true. I have also never heard a beginner or poorer striker of the golf ball say I need to lower my ball flight which is what these are said to do. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Display as a link instead, By understanding simple averages and probabilities, a golfer can choose the best club and target for each shot. I would have guessed #1 because of the "low spin" mantra, even though the launch is a touch low. And that is for the simple reason that pros will hit all manner of a variety of different shots with their irons, especially for their approach shots, and as such, they will hit the same iron a variety of different distances. [/color] And for those golfers looking to make more substantial improvements to their game, the TrackMan Combine provides a roadmap for the improvement journey and accurate, immediate feedback at all checkpoints / stops along the way. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. #:>PC"ljTTZ!@8[+D py"4]F: }X@`*0gIiF1|fv3cp{c?9EkD!j> The previous table looked at the approach distance the AMA will have based on hole length and average drive distance. It's good for some laughs. Either way I don't care. There is a very obvious relationship between these two variables. I was advised to switched to the 8 bounce as my impact is shallower than when I was previously fitted for my SM8s. That's what I think. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. PING i210 (4i-UW) DG X100 In truth, the vast majority of golfers are playing from tees that are too long based on their club speed and skill level. Mr Vokey has listened and gone on to design a wedge with the feedback of those players in mind. Elite level Trackman Golf Coaching from Expert & Award winning coaches, Scott and Jamie Howarth. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Add Driving Distance by Analyzing the Worlds Longest Driver! Pro Modus 3 Tour 105 S, Wedges: Callaway Jaws (54-10S, 58-10S), Titleist Vokey Design SM6 (62-08M) People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. When I watch professional events I am always taken aback by how high they hit their driver but how low they hit their wedges. 5 Testers Needed! Not As Much As You Think! The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. The data results given in this article are completely skewed. A single figure golfer all of his adult life he lives in London and still enjoys playing whenever he can with friends and family. For example for a 170 yard shot into the green a quick glance at his iron yardages shows he could decide to play either a three-quarter 8-iron or try to hit a 9-iron as far as he can his max distance for that club. The challenge is, improving your distance is a slow and arduous process. [/quote] Should my ball speed be faster based on the distance Im getting. BALL; Chrome Soft X. Due to the large volume of autograph requests, fulfillment of requests is not guaranteed. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Unless of course it's short enough to hit the 3 wood or driver at the green. Honestly many guys in this small % sort of make every other golfer feel like that . 716MB (5-PW)- DG S400 [b]Tiger Woods[/b] Different pros however clearly hit their irons different distances but in the table below we have listed the stock yardages of some of the top pros, including Rory McIlroy, Dustin Johnson, Justin Thomas and Bryson DeChambeau, to let you see how they compare against the average. Thomas is also only 1 of 6 players in PGA Tour history with 15 victories and 2 Majors before his 30th birthday, joining Jack Nicklaus, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Rory McIlroy and Tiger Woods. Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. Club Head Speed 119.55 Im wondering if there are outliers here?. Jordan Spieth WITB 2021 (May Charles Schwab Challenge), Jordan Spieth WITB: 2020 Farmers Insurance Open, Jordan Spieth winning WITB: 2022 RBC Heritage, WITB Time Machine: Jordan Spieths 2015 John Deere Classic winning WITB. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. How Far Should I Hit My Hybrids? Web2/27/2012 Justin Rose COMBINE TEST 1 | TrackMan www.trackman.dk TEST INFO Date:2/27/2012 Name:Justin Rose DOB:7/30/1980 Hcp:+5 Mode:Outdoor Location:Lake Nona Temp:78 F Wind:0-5mph Notes: TOTAL SCORE Driver Statistics (avg.) It is vital for them to know exactly how far they hit their wedges with a variety of different types of shots because feel is so important from those short distances, especially at the top level of the game, where a yard or two can make the difference between winning or losing a tournament. Because winning money, titles, and shooting low scores doesnt involve all that much power hitting, especially with the irons. Or the public course in Lenoir, NC? [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] I shared the dispersion plot with our local club committee who are thinking of installing trackman after redeveloping several holes, and was asked questions along these lines: 1. So just to confirm what we are indeed up against we took a detailed look at just how far the top pros are hitting their clubs. [/quote] I have a terrible slice that knocks A LOT of yards off of my drive. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. [quote name='eddie_max' timestamp='1364438260' post='6711367'] Hamish777, March 26, 2013 in WRX Club Techs. Physics First. What Irons Do the Pros Use? And as it is highly unlikely even the best pros in the world never want to hit their driver as far as they can so it is clearly the club we are going to get the best idea of the maximum distance they hit the ball.

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