The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. A bit heavy, if I had to buy it again, Id pick a shorter, lighter barrel version but I am not unhappy with the gun. Manufacturer Cimarron Firearms br brModel 1892 Lever Action Riflebr brSKU AS621br brCaliber .357 Magnumbr brCapacity 10 Roundsbr brBarrel Length  20 Oct CIM CA2903 CIM UBERTI 1894 RIFLE 38-55 26" Brand: CIMARRON FIREARMS CO Item Number: CIM CA2903 UPC: 814230101112 Cimarron Firearms, the leader in authentic replicas from America Glock #32 (357 Sig) -- #13 rounds magazine -- #3 Magazines and loader only! TX residents add 8.25% sales tax. I put a Wild West trigger on the 336, and its great, but that puts the Marlin price right up there with Henry. Gun shows are your salvation. The resulting airspace does no good. Single shots from Thompson/Center, Wichita and Merrill appeared on the expanding .357 Maximum market. Please try a new zip code and search again. You can find ammo, and buy it if you can afford it. I always assumed it was so you didnt lose your rifle when making a Sabre charge and hauling ass on your horse. by BAGTIC Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:14 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. *We Never share your email without your permission. Here in Ohio legal deer hunting rifle cartridges are straightwall cases from .357 to .50. Subscriber Services. The .357 Rem. Max. Just ask! Location. As the sport grew, the single shots came into their own as did fancy, short bolt guns, but a quarter of the program was always with a stock revolver. Sounds like Remington/Marlin customer service and repair has gone straight to hell. The unnecessary cross bolt safety can easily be deleted with a Beartooth Mercantile safety delete kit for $35.00. Ive been at the range many times when people in adjacent lanes started talking about trigger quality and, when I let them fire that old 19, the response is usually just, wow. They averaged 1810fps out of my Marlin. Henry is close with SPX but went plastic stock.DOH! Couldnt seem to understand that I couldnt and didnt care to at this moment. to 200 gr. So without further adiou "Welcome". Why Marlin didnt make a 336 in .357 I will never understand. It was stopped when Ruger or someone discovered flame cutting of the top strap above the barrel/cylinder gap. Choose to either optimize the MAGnum chamber or go all the way to the .357 MAXimum or .350 Legend chamber. This beefed up, elongated .357 Magnum has also been chambered in Dan Wesson revolvers as well as several single shot rifles and pistols including the T/C Contender. Levers are light, easy to carry with quick target acquisition and reliability. Paper patch an almost pure lead 380 to 400 gr bullet and it will do a number on an critter waaaaay out there even propelled with black powder but you have to know where your rifle shoots at what yardage. And, re getting it looked at, yes; thing is, there arent too many smiths in my area who are comfortable working on lever-actions (and the ones that are, I dont trust). Nostalgia isnt relevance. Here's the 357 Maximum story: Back in the 1980's there was a silhouette competition for pistols out to 200 yards. No one else offers the wide range of options, steel picatinny rails, and barrel fluting that MGM does. I would think the old school lever lovers and the black rifle guys could come together on this. The receiver was warped slightly outward, he pressed it back into line. Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. Last one he had and probably will get for some time. You can even shoot .38 Special for some of the easiest long gun plinking youll ever do. ALL factory handgun ammo is impossible to obtain now in the Covid 19 and Defund the Police world we live in now. Maybe Ill be in a position to reload once I retire in 25 or so years but by then Ill probably have sold everything and moved back overseas so it wont be an issue. With nice wood This content is accurate and true to the best of the authors knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional. tend to do quite well in the .357 Maximum. Cheap factory 158gr LRN is subsonic and stupid quiet for those that are complete hereticslike meand suppress their levers. 44 Mag is much more forgiving. Maximum, call Kurt Bellm at 970 433 9525. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. No bloody wonder that Remingtons in bankruptcy again. This rifle has a ton of modern flair that you may be used to seeing on semi-automatic sporting rifles. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns, Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway, Rossi Model 92 357 Mag, Case Color Receiver. or, H&R BARREL ONLY and $150 check or money order. Marlin changed the sliding top strap to a sliding sidewall, therefore making the rifle side-ejecting. Made in 1988, nickel, no drag marks on cylinder, factory original box and paperwork, like new! .357 Remington Maximum Done Right by Mike Bellm, Mr. Max USA. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. (Photo: Winchester) Ha. I doubt nothing that Taffin says, but we both know that no gun maker will ever live with that kind of visible damage.But let's step back and look at what the .357 Maximum was designed to do. And of course the popular, accurate Dan Wesson revolvers came out with a long frame, long cylinder Max. The action and trigger needed work, so that cost another $125 from my local Gunsmith in Oregon. 1. My all-time favorite .357 rifle is still the IMI Timber Wolf pump. The 30A is a Marlin 336 for 70% off.). In an effort to keep the playing field dead level for all competitors, they rigidly adhered to the no-modification standard. Its been gaining more momentum than originally expected. But stoke it up and hear that little dog bark like a big dog! It can really thump that shoulder. Ps should've gone with 26" would be better. John said that he quietly kept on shooting his Rugers in the controversial caliber. I passed up a .357 94 trapper several years ago it was a few $ more than I had on me and I couldnt get the seller to budge. Im not particularly recoil sensitive (though getting old does suck) but from a power-to-controllability ratio standpoint, Ive always found the .357 to be the sweet spot. I love Lever action rifles, and own Rossis, Savage 99s, Winchesters , ( 92 and 94s), Marlins, and Henrys, in 357 magnum and 44 Rem Mag. When Remington put the special round into production, it got a new (and prophetic) name: .357 Maximum. Not quite as fast but a staple item is 296/110 with 23 gr. Go for a hike in the woods or mountains and you see deer most times of the year. In those area, they cant legally own an AR, AK, etc. Smooth as butter. A lever gun would be a really fun toy for me. The amount of money, time and effort and the increased lever throw places a 357 Maximum lever gun so far down my list that it will never happen for me. I enjoyed your article. While many manufacturers produce copper jacketed or semi-jacketed bullets, as well as spire point for better accuracy at longer ranges, you can cast your own bullets to load this caliber. Thirdly, in ordinary political/economic times .38 and .357 ammo is plentiful, ubiquitous, and affordable. I agree, a lever gun in the .357 Max would be quite the setup. The other was H-110 powder which never achieved what I thought was accurate. I just read how lever actions were among the first guns carried on single point slings. Most of the famous Hatfield-McCoy feud was fought with lever guns. Good thought though. Considering that there are no problems with this cartridge in single-shot pistols and rifles, it is unfortunate that the revolver problems sullied the reputation of an otherwise fine cartridge. Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. )(2009 Note: Some of these loads are from 1996 and in the passing years the powder companies have reduced their maximum loads particularly ones that have been around a long time like Unique. JerryB II Corinthians 3:17, Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Upon opening the box the gun was dirty and needed to be cleaned/oiled, not sure if the dust was from the shipping cardboard or lack of care in the shop before packing. . I have a old JM Marlin lever rifle in .357, Its one of those rifles that has been out there and used before I got it. It was almost daylight and I kept hearing something move around. I only have a little experience with .357 SIG (a friend has a Springfield XDM in said chambering) but it seems a reasonable round. This load generates very close to the SAAMI max of 35k psi. SAAMI documents dated 2005 list it as inactive.. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:23 pm, Post Thats what makes them lever action great. My main load was Winchester 357 Silvertips. I dont have a horse ..so the ring comes off. The big problem for me was the shape of the Contender grip which caused my hand to shake after just a few shots. And as far as lever action rifles in pistol calibersthey have never been irrelevant over their 150 year history. [6] The "Magnum era" began with the .375 H&H rifle cartridge, spreading to handguns with the .357 Magnum. Awesome. I took photos and pointed out the issue but still didnt fix it. Or the new Marlin Dark series for a little more money. Best of both worlds. Im sure even more now. I have not seen the .357 atomic but know of the .375 atomic-it is a i.4 in. The company would sell you all you wanted for ten bucks apiece, but a gun that tried to cut itself in half was doomed to failure. SAAMI maximum is 48,000, and in the closed breech guns pressures can be run at the same levels as 5.56 NATO, about 54,000 psi. im drawn to modern firearms for their dynamicism. its a different kind of shooting, fast followups, peppering paper or spinners, quick reloads. Personally I like Blue Dot, and Bullseye for plinking rounds. [2] Shortly thereafter, Dan Wesson Firearms and Thompson/Center Arms introduced firearms in this cartridge. They usually hide it by using a 24" barreled rifle. NEVER JAM BULLETS INTO THE RIFLINGS! Some of the smaller single-action companies produced their version. Nobody cared about the AR-15. I was surprised I didnt see any comments about the Henry Big Boy X. I bought this in a .357 mag at BassPro for $800 and it has the side gate for loading. for a velocity of around 1836 fps. So there are several options available that are much less expensive than the fine examples listed in the article. Remington and Ruger eventually . The first loads I worked up were with Speers 0.358-inch 180-grain FNSP intended for the .35 Remington. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:01 pm, Post Oranges should be squeezed into juice. Rossi makes various models starting at about $500. Fully agree with this. including a .40 S&W Barrel (view pictures). The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. The most common include: There are other firearms chambered in the maximum, but their availability is limited and prices can be high. But those new X models are very hard to get now. The winchester representative claimed 2300 fps with a 150gr bullet out of a 20 inch barrel. I saw your reference to benighted states and then AR, AK. I prefer flatnose or roundnose designs in this velocity range because they typically demonstrate better expansion than Spitzers at the same velocity. 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The Mossberg 500 Pump Action Shotgun is one of the most popular home defense shotguns on the market. Winchester Model 1873. and i personally think the word tactical and the word options are interchangeable. You can shoot 357 Mags through it. With 125 gr. .357 Rem. It brings old school to the new school and shoots like a dream. The .357 Magnum is considerably more powerful than its parent round the .38 Special. I would start there and if you want more velocity you can increase to the max load of 19 gr. Low dollar lever gun joy is in your future. I had just enough time to look at a Winchester 92 in .357(did not like the large loop lever) and an italian copy of the 73. Best .357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifles. Hot and spiced with nutmeg and cinnamon on a cold day kicks ass, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/97/56/4e/97564e38ab918eae2103ffa40b24f0c1.jpg. We do not charge additional fees for credit cards. Granted, it comes rather dear at $1,214 MSRP, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, you should be able to pick it up for much less. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. A 20 1892 weighs just over 6 lbs loaded. Even though it was flawed engineering, it was the cartridge that suffered. I have become a fan. The .357 Magnum is probably the most widely-used revolver cartridge today, managing to thrive in an era where the wheelguns and associated cartridges are growing scarce. All in all the .357 may be the best TEOTWAWKI round going. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. Re: Reloading the 357 MAXIMUM. Winchester 1892 Deluxe 357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifle with 24 Inch Octagon Barrel. It can shoot 38 special 357 magnum and 357 maximum. While initially offered in .44-40, .32-20 and .38-40 (and discontinued for some time) a new version emerged in 2013 chambered for .357 Magnum/.38 Spl and a hammer block safety for safe carry. I would absolutely use it for home D without a second thought. Its so ugly I love it. Its sad that this is a bonus, but for many Americans it is exactly that. 8,125. Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Flintlock Misc, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Matchlock/Wheellock Misc, Century Arms International (CAI) - Rifles, Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Rifles (perc), Winchester Rifles - Modern Bolt/Auto/Single, Winchester Rifles - Pre-1899 Bolt/Single Shot, Century Arms International (CAI) - Pistols, Colt Automatic Pistols (.25, .32, & .380 cal), Colt Single Action Revolvers - Modern (22 Cal. This produced a blue-white ring of fire at the gap where the bullet transitioned the jump from cylinder to the barrel. The problem with rebarreling a Ruger No 1 or 3 is not the round, it it locating a gunsmith capable of dealing with a Ruger single shot action. As long as components are available, I can handload for it. Last time I went hunting. Did you go with the .375 Supermag rather than the .375 Winchester due to case length restrictions? @ Ed Palumbo. I can recall a conversation with John Taffin, a fellow gunwriter of deserved great reputation. I still have a stash of Hornady 180 grain SSP's for it. True dat. 38 Special full metal jacket round will hit with the force of 189 pounds of pressure per square foot at a . A T/C Contender G2 or Encore makes a lot more since. Only because the ammo is cheaper. I can probably name a couple dozen powders that will work in the .357. I cant go the range without people coming over to try it out. How do the modern .357 loads compare to the first repeaters? I have one with the turnstile safety. There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. One say I will probably add a .357 in a carbine for all around utility in the 100 yards or less range. Its a copy of the Winchester 1892 made by Miroku for Browning. The regular Marlin 1894C is priced at around $700. Because the .357 Maximum in a Contender comes close to .35 Rem. In addition to the rapid erosion of the barrel face adjacent to the cylinder, the topstrap was being grooved by a combination of hot gas and partially burned propellant granules. Factory triggers dont come much, if any, better than the k frames., I have to agree. 008-E503841 | MTM. soft . Even when I was younger I preferred the .357 over the .44. The .357 magnum has never been irrelevant since it made its debut 80 + years ago. (Winchester 94) and .22lr (Marlin 39A x2) with various accompanying sidearms. . The revolvers that were built in this caliber are rare, and consistently go for a premium over other Ruger Blackhawks. .357 Remington Maximum beats many of the traditional factory loaded "deer cartridges" such as .30/30 Winchester and .35 Remington. Either will give hunting accuracy better than a big percentage of "varmint rifles! Ive never understood the fascination with Black Rifles. Long loaded 357 Mag should still be accurate in the 360 and are great for fun shooting. Seldom has any new gun/ new cartridge combination failed so quickly.Ruger's long-framed Blackhawk was first to market in two barrel lengths. Im going to be very careful dipping into a little bit of political prognostication, but I think most of us would acknowledge that gun-banners have a list of the guns they hate most (cough AR cough) and that John Waynes Cowboy Rifle is way down at the bottom of that list. And dont let anyone tell you that lever actions are slow. My factory Maxi is a 1982 also. It has a lot going for it: you can drive a 125 grain JHP .38 to .357 handgun velocities, its 16 barrel is just as handy as an AR, you can reload on the fly like a shotgun, its legal in all 50 states, not frightening to non-POTG, and is simple to operate. Then came panic buying of guns and ammo due to social unrest, and of course its a an election year. Don't like it you can turn it quick and easy. Prefer .44 Mag to .357, but thats just me. Curious that this article features only the most expensive versions of .357 carbines. Such a great gun I wish theyd never discontinued them. 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5 PRC: Which is Better? Really puts a pop in the round. Most 158-grain and lighter bullets usually lack the jacket thickness for use on big game in a Contender. Mine was made in about 2005, for what its worth. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . Suppessor equiped lever guns with Subsonic plinker ammo are a hoot to shoot. .357 Maximums and the 9x72R, an old German rifle cartridge. It's my personal opinion that the flame cutting on the revolvers chambered in this cartridge gave it a bad rep. The object was to knock down all five targets in two minutes. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:25 pm, Post Send your barrel or barrel with forend attached for chamber work. Lighter and tougher and more precise than ever, it's the perfect back country hunting rifle. Ruger developed a Blackhawk specifically for the cartridge, but word of barrel erosion and "flame cutting" came to light quickly and production of the revolver was ceased with only about 400 produced. The 1892 is a top-ejecting model so scopes or rails are out, but the point of this gun is to be a fast-handling, medium-range rifle. The Model X in .357 magnum is super compact with an overall length of just 36.3 inches. I know jack-all about lever guns except what I saw on The Rifleman growing up. It was a long-range shooting sport in which the targets were the silhouettes of game animals cut from steel plate and placed in banks of five at 50, 100, 150 and 200 meters. You do want to make sure your rounds are flatnose, hollowpoint or LeverEvolution in a tube magazine. This fire also flowed upwards in such a way that it encountered the inside edge of the revolver topstrap. Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. Custom barrels made by the best of the custom TC barrel manufacturers! Its a great shooter, almost no recoil with any .357 or .38 load and it looks good hanging on my wall. I wonder how the rimless version of the .357 Maximumthe .350 Legendwill fare. It brings the 38+p up to mid-range 357 revolver ballistics (~1250). Use only MAGNUM Rifle primers in .357 Maximum loads. Theyre quick-handling (crazy quick), theyre accurate, and theyve got the power to take down medium-sized game out to 150 yards with the right ammo and careful rangefinding. No Tags. If you have some, enjoy them. Gun Genius. Look around on the internet. It is such a joy to shoot! I really like my lever guns, also have a early JM guide gun in 45-70 and also one in 450 Marlin. Pun intended. .38 Spl is an absolute dream to shoot in a .357 lever gun. Would love a new one, in particular one of the Henry brand as the finishes are absolutely beautiful. CHECK FOR EXCESS PROTRUSION OF THE CASE FROM THE END OF THE BARREL BEFORE FIRING! If theyll go ahead and put the new loading gate on it (which I expect they will before long) I think Id probably move it straight to the top of the list. All Rights Reserved. Got a lot of positive comments on it. I always liked the cowboy combo concept of carbine/sidearm same caliber and own lever actions in .44 mag. The hammer and bolt still make contact with each other on the side of the hammer, not just where the bolt cocks the hammer. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-henry-big-boy-44-magnum/. The most common include: Ruger Blackhawk Dan Wesson Model 40 by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 pm, Post The results are: . They only made these two years. Thanks for the link. The 357 out-paces the 44-40 and 32-20 by a fair margin. Dan Wesson guns had easily-replaceable barrels and came with an extra in .357 Maximum. Poppycock; the .357 Magnum is one of the best rounds for personal defense out there. but I can welcome You to the forum. Despite the fact there is little commercial production for the .357 Remington maximum, the cartridge is well liked by hunters who understand the velocities, energy, and recoil it produces makes for a very efficient and manageable cartridge. Also, after breaking it in, the Rossis action (which is the major criticism for this gun) was just as smooth as the Winchesters, Marlins and Henrys I have shot. If I didnt have to deal with CAs onerous gun registration laws, Id otherwise be glad to offer someone one of my Glock/AR sets for a .357 Mag revolver + rifle. You are using an out of date browser. Sorry, there are no results in your area. The round barrel is just 17.4 inches, threaded for a suppressor and features a 1:16 rate of twist. Depending on how hot the load is. .44 mag would batter my hands a bit too much these days. I sight in for 75 yards which lets me go out 125 yards with pretty much a dead on hold. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. With a tuned lever action, you can unload 10 rounds in about 3 seconds: https://youtu.be/h1Wcy8HRQUo?list=TLPQMjcwNzIwMjC2VftOeStKpQ. Metallic silhouette shooters found it both accurate and very good at taking steel plates off a rail.

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